I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. "Great" means "large", not "very good". The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. It's the name of the island ffs. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. I dont think we will see train liveries being changed for a while. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy We use cookies. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. This idea often seems to pop its head up. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. Home Forums Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. It does because it's public perception. It does look better than red. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. Wholely agree. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! The rail system is a public service not an art gallery. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. It will become a single familiar brand with a bold new vision for passengers - of punctual services, simpler tickets. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. It really does look dire. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. BRs own history says otherwise. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. Read about the differences between Britain, the. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. Today I would like to make a rather general suggestion rather than something specific. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? The rebranding of British Railways to British Rail on 1 January 1965 was coupled with the introduction of an entirely new national livery. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. During 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, all passenger train operating companies (TOCs) entered into Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements with the UK and Scottish Governments. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). There have also been subtle font changes. The bottom one is basically Serco era Northern signage, and does look good to me, though I would go for a subtle double arrow in the bottom right as I said earlier, and omit the GBR text. Why could GBR franchises not do the same? This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. JavaScript is disabled. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . You are using an out of date browser. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. I think in Germany it is done by using the "TOC" name in place of IC etc. 3 Apr 2022 . In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. Nothing to bring it all together. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions The Overground operates under its own livery. NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? Swiss rail. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. GBR will be made up of five regional divisions, organised in line with Network Rail's Putting Passengers First programme. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. A commonly mistake to make, but one that can easily upset the locals! JavaScript is disabled. The Great British Railway - and please, spare us the flag-waving - will incorporate Network Rail (renationalised in 2002 after privatised Railtrack collapsed), ticketing and awarding operator . I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. This livery suited these diesel hydraulic classes, and allowed the Western Region to once again show a degree of independence; it was not applied to any other diesel or electric classes (other than the Class 42/43 "Warships"). For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Now there's a system others can look up to. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. But theres no particular reason this should be. RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. But it invites an obvious question: what is to be done about it? And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Free delivery for many products! WMT (operationally separate from LNWR by this point) brand to be used additionally on XC services to Nottingham and Leicester (stopper only). The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. On the face of it, this is primarily a reorganisation of the franchise system in England control over passenger franchises in Scotland and Wales is, alas, devolved. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). It may not display this or other websites correctly. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. White letters on a navy background is the way to go. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? It's the name of the island ffs. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. Feb 1, 2020. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. I suppose they are quite bland. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. (Something that ought to give die-hard advocates of splitting off the Scottish Conservatives pause for thought.) The pleasure's all mine. Budgets and delivery will be held at the local level as well as at the national level. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. The current lot is an absolute mess. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. 1948 -. You are using an out of date browser. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. There's rather a lot to list if you want to do it completely! Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. Goodbye. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. Brunswick Green. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. 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