Celestes was similar. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. She didnt try to bite him? no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! Powered by. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. She loved her kids more than he did, obviously!! Bellas covers were pulled off and she was just lying in bed. The reports show that the bodies of both little girls were placed inside oil containers with a narrow opening that was only 8 inches in diameter. Remember, she was pregnant. On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? Unfortunately she never got the chance. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. Thankyou. What was Shananns cause of death? Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. The autopsy report found that Shanann was in her second trimester of pregnancy and that the "largely decomposed fetus and placental unit" was found "expelled from the gravid uterus." The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. Shananns mother Sandra Rzucek told police she suspected foul play and suspected Chris, saying he was acting weird and out of the ordinary. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. @Nick, regarding OCD. He organized the bins in the basement. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. I agree with you Jessica Police came but found no sign of Celeste Watts or Bella Marie Watts. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. Maybe he lost patience with her. You see any documents with that diagnosis? Police saw a bed sheet. Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. @Karen. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. ~KSmallz. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. So that indicates perhaps that she and Bella were murdered around the same time as Shanann Im guessing. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. I did mention that Shanann was still in love with him and wanted a child with, and wanted to work on their marriage right up until the moment of her death. Bella Watts Autospy Report A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. He was asleep. I just dont understand this. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. Meanwhile, the part of your brain that regulates involuntary functions is shutting down. Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. Not a single drop of blood on the bed sheets, and she winged him apparently with her nails on his neck. its pretty clear they went to bed like normal >>>How is it pretty clear? Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? Celeste did NOT have any found in hers?? Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. Chris is dead inside. She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. She was a nag and loved making Chris look like a fool. I cannot get over what he did. Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. All these people do is lie. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. Shanann is very OCD about organization and planned the entire wedding. Read my above post. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. His integrity shows through all the time. No sign of that either. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. Hes asked what happened after Shannan was dead he says he carried her to their room and put her back into bed. Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. Unless you count her phone. Not on his hands around her throat? Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. Said it was part of the decomposition process. Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. @Nickvdl IMO I think he strangled her from behind and on their bed. Because when he called her, he said, mom, they are searching the house. Why would he say that to her if she did not have prior knowledge? How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. I dont believe this was planned because everyone says that its ridiculous that he buried them at his place of employment. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? Exhausting and she was pregnant. Everything else was secondary or something to be minimized so she could focus on her addiction. 100% agree. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. Youre obviously trolling! Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. He found her phone between the cushions. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. Like you, I was suspicious about the DAs assessment. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach I found nothing unusual with that part. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. police fileA picture Shanann sent a friend. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. My opinion, when Nicole Atkinson said Shanann was OCD, I think she was using the term loosely, as a description, not a diagnosed disorder. Correct. How was she about her childrens allergies? Like a scene from Friday the 13th. Smothering is albeit horrific, a more a gentle or approach that a mother may take. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. Face? He snapped and I was terrified of him. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. Maintaining compression in a Stranglehold after unconsciousness is rendered may result in death. His mom I think knew about it prior. That sounds very very snarky. She also wanted to make her marriage work. I would like to read the discovery how do I find it? Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). I think he may have snapped and killed Bella first. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? For nothing. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. Maybe body positioning and gravity? It kills me because its pretty clear they went to bed like normal and were awoken to find him killing them. Not as bright. It could be all the thrive he was taking. But think about it. God I wish she had taken the girls and just got the heck out of there. Makes me so sick. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. Her Dad stated that Shanann would often sleep on the sofa when he stayed at the house, and again when she was in NC after Chris arrived. He dug the grave with a shovel. I think thats what she did (shed had an extra 3 hours of airport to be rid of!) I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . Sociopaths/Covert narcissists wreak havoc and(emotional) destruction on those around them without exception. Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. 3. I always wondered why she didnt fight back, too. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. None of that is going to me made public, for obvious reasons. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. Thats contained in her autopsy report. Knowing that his neighbor had a camera, he has a reason to leave at that time. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. Its typical that children be smothered as opposed to stabbed etc. He just didnt want another baby. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. I didnt know what else to do. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. He was a mechanic. In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Jami, doesnt make sense. That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. Esophagus: .. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. I actually tried this with my husband. He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! Areas of bruising, external. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? 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