Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the . . Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. This happened on Easter Sunday when Taylor Marshall received the sacraments from the SSPX: the breakaway group which is in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church. (8:04 PM), no pattern except that I wish them both welltheyre both Catholics with whom I mostly agree Trent [Horn]: a smart dude I barely know & only spoke with thrice; Taylor: a smart dude I know WELLspoke to him daily for over a year, until he abruptly/mostly stopped replying to texts/calls[.] Photographed by, Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The Latin Mass Society of England and Wales. Taylor Marshall is a heretic and a schismatic. (4-14-20, 4:36 PM), Precisely, no more feuding in public. Pope Francis: But some might ask themselves: but why is the Pope going to the Muslims and not just to Catholics? Basically, the cause of the current quarrel is the status of the SSPX, and whether to receive sacraments from them or attend their services. (4-16-20, 3:20 PM). Yes, Dave and I disagree on stuff. (9:16 PM), To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his familys reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. He is refusing to be taught by Pope Francis. Dr. Marshall has a large community of followers on his regular podcast shows, in which he discusses, together with his colleague Timothy Gordon, the new developments and happenings in the Catholic . Marshall is not super tactful and has got into fights with his former friends over it. Until a few months ago, Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon were friends and cohosts of the TM podcast, for God's sake. Because there are many religions, and why are there many religions? UPDATED 5/14/19 to add: Taylor Marshall was an Episcopalian priest until May of 2006, when he left the Episcopalian priestly ministry to become Catholic. Indeed I read last night, on one of Taylor Marshall's latest tweets, that he has blocked Timothy Gordon and also his wife as well I think. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. This happened on Easter Sunday when Taylor Marshall received the sacraments from the SSPX: the breakaway group which is in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church. Get thicker skin. Its intellectual. Civil discussion is whats needed and you wont even respond to me, privately or publicly. Gordon: not material heresy. Without them we would be without the Sacraments. Theres an unimagined gap between FSSP and SSPX[.] But the meaning of the Council inheres in the text, The world of text, hermeneutic, jurisprudence. (3:43 PM), The point of departure was NOT receiving Communionwhich is licit all things consideredbut the apology for not just inaccurate statements about SSPX (which is great!) (1:49 PM), Thats heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. Reactionary Civil War Heating Up Over Taylor Marshall? Im fine. Such heated rhetoric between ostensible allies and fellow reactionaries has huge implications for the internal unity of the reactionary movement, which appears to be significantly fracturing (an almost inevitable occurrence with all heretical, schismatic, and quasi-schismatic movements; I classify reactionaries as in the latter group). Wherever it leads. We read the Vatican docs for their original public meaningthat which was ratified by a votenot their presumptive intentwhich isnt certainly ascertainable[.] It needs to stop. Thats the problem. Is there actually a breaking point? But what God wants is fraternity among us and in a special way, this was the reason for the trip, with our brothers, Abrahams children like us, the Muslims. I would never frag ya[.] I enjoyed the interplay between the two and all of a sudden I noticed that there was no more Tim Gordon. (3) And this teaching, which is also a Law of the Church: The First See is judged by no one (Canon 1404). (4:02 PM), Why all the handwringing about civility? Too many apologists are gurus with groupies. They do not teach the love of God, nor the love of neighbor. Lefebvre voted for EVERY SINGLE DOCUMENT. Wherever it leads. In this video, Pope Francis Accused of 7 Counts of Heresy by 19 Scholars, Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon discuss the Open Letter accusing Pope Francis of heresy. (10:21 AM), Honestly: All I care about is the truth. They talk about tough things but have a good time! They acted like old buddies and intellectual "colleagues." Two laymen with a youtube channel, spreading the news about the Pachamama dunker guy, etc. Calling FSSP bootlicking (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. Marshall and Gordon have each appeared on her YouTube channel, and Nicholas has interacted with her tweets more than 100 times since 2017. (10:25 AM), A) shes calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. In this episode, you will learn: It is not that God wishes many persons to be in religions which lack the fullness of truth. (3:54 PM), Yes, Dave and I disagree on stuff. We have to be able to have discussion intellectually, w/o the fomenting of the emotions. And thats just what it is, guessing. Roman Catholic theologian and translator of the Catholic Public Domain Version of the Bible. As if this is what we need right now at this moment in history. No matter how many conservative Popes follow, if Taylor Marshall does not repent of his sin of rejecting the teachings and authority of Pope Francis, he remains a heretic and a schismatic, who sins anew every time he receives holy Communion. My Podcast link: Author Texas, USA youtube.com/drtaylormarsha Joined January 2009 351 Following 131.9K Followers Tweets & replies Media Dr Taylor Marshall Mirus begins by mocking Marshall and then descends into ad hominem attacks like this one: "discussing the book is rather like pointing . Now he is attacking people whose sandals he is unworthy to untie. Sorry Gordons, but this seems to be the only way. . Weve said this over and over on TnT (TnT is his video series with Timothy Gordon.) I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. Something happened to men in the last 50 years. I'm not sure if any of you posted this story already. Thus, when there are disagreements, how can two mini-popes with their little online fiefdoms resolve a difference? In October 2019, Marshall received media attention for publicizing an incident at the Catholic Church's Amazon Synod in which Alexander Tschugguel and an accomplice filmed themselves removing indigenous fertility statues, reportedly of Pachamama, from the Church of Santa Maria in Traspontina in Rome and throwing them into the Tiber river. Please disown that, For my part, I didnt even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. I used to believe this nonsense as well. I resist him to his face.. All of us, me included. "The Catholic Monitor" Butchers My View of Papal Lucas Banzoli Misrepresents Chrysostom's Eucharistic Theology. It had become clear we didnt agree about Taylors evolving position on the SSPX, but I wished to continue: we were still bringing souls to the Church together, which matters most to me, : Im happy to chat, do a show, slap high fives and come together about the (majority) stuff we agree on OR do a civil show about the (minority) stuff we disagree on. Lets take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? , and February 2022 marked the 25th anniversary of my blog. And most of these people think youre scum just for going to the Novus Ordo. Line by line commentary by Dr Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon. But youre not understanding that conciliar documents need to be interpreted under the construction most optimally faithful to Tradition, wherever possible. Its an important intellectual matter and it merits dispassionate debate. Brothers squabbling a bit is the inevitable cost of abandonment by our spiritual fathers; all of us have various talents, but none of us have authority to pronounce on theological questions. Lets take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? 2 or 3 of them. Gotta be two-sided though. (1:01 PM), Agreed that there was a modernist intent going in. Its quite strange, no? [12] All but one have been self-published by Saint John Press and Media, a company held and managed by Marshall. (9:50 PM), Clarify where correct; apologize where incorrect. A bunch of the mob on here defend your position, but say they choose FSSP over SSPX every time, THIS is the real issue. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. Quasi-schism is starting to fade . But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIIIs IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis, Agreed that there was a modernist intent going in. You are wrong on cohabitation. Kelly. So the seventh accusation is patently false. Hes got a good heart and weve both had a hard year. (2:20 AM), My homeboy@SteveSkojec (accidentally) mischaracterized my position, which is actually schismatic attitude in many/most attendees (but not all)[.] And it is contrary to the above discussed dogma that no Pope can teach heresy or grave error, i.e. God bless our most holy, ardent, bold, yet obedient priests of the TLM! Its practically sedevacantist.. (9:16 PM), My sole issue with his Easter tweet was that he retracted his previous due criticisms of the SSPX, which I worried would nudge many of the faithful to attend SSPX liturgy, which would endanger the less-educated in the Faith, since they will more readily succumb to therebellious mindset of the Society towards VC II and towards the Novus Ordo, a mindset that is condemned by the Church. (11:30 PM), Dave and I guessabout the status of SSPX differently. Timothy Gordon. He specifically said that the plurality of religion is due to the permissive will of God. Just ask them[.] Its intolerable[.] He has helped countless people find tradition. And that he committed a severe public detraction of Tim. The SSPX is the only church in town that is not a total joke and does not desecrate the eucharist. I dont care about the business model. We bring that up over and over on TNT. It becomes like the infighting of pope-less Eastern Orthodoxy. Dont worry brother[.] And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Daves tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil[.] Anyway, if it is blue-on-blue attacks you are worried about, that is exactly what Im criticizing TM for. Dont act as if fringe groups and their leaders arent the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. He is, in a video far too tedious to link to, claiming that they are cowards. But we are fallen sinners, and God is merciful. Marshall then objects to the phrase in the Open Letter heretical Pope. Tim addresses Taylor Marshall's spurious attack on FSSP/ICKSP's recent communique (to the Vatican about Traditionis Custodes) as a "cave in.". Shaws statement excoriating Taylor Marshall on the same page, was cross-posted, along with the joint letter, at reactionary venue Rorate Caeli, in apparent agreement. Certainly, God gives sufficient grace to everyone to avoid all grave sin and to do His whole will. (8:50 PM), You bet. They are[.] It turns out that Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon have had a disagreement regarding SSPX going back to January. I dont care about the business model. 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