This example, like most, contains a lot of assumptions and can only be used to provide an overall estimate of income. Speak to who introduced you to Amway! Yes, any hand you are dealt could be the one that wins you all the chips, but playing every hand like it is a flush straight will bleed your chips dry. Thats 30 k. Each. Furthermore, in 2009 Amway held celebrations of their 50th Anniversary and invited all qualified Diamonds and above to Las Vegas. Nothing wrong with network marketing.Most of those companies you listed, Barnes, Sears, and Best Buy are struggling right now and shutting down stores, they will take any hook they can get for extra cheap referrals to their business.It is not the partner sites that make Amway bad, its their IBO' actions IMO. Anonymous - LOL! . The diamond money comes from selling the "tools" that the lower level people think will get them "rich" too.Let's be honest. 7 lac volume in group approx. Amway Christians. Now there's a topic for the day. Or as you put it there's a lying sack of shit born every minute. Nothing about it is a scam. I do believe it takes the right people to go Diamond or Ruby or Emerald in the business. Help them do what you did in your first 3 months, go 50/150, then go Fast Track making between $500-1100/month with the fast track bonus and regular business $'s. "Hey, this is a great way to make a little extra income" when the truth is, for 99% of people, no matter how hard they work the "plan", it's a month by month LOSS of money due to how hard it is to get people roped into the scam and then hold them there once they are losing money left and right to it. That of course includes many couples, but it means at that point in time, with sales of around $8 billion, there was clearly more than 2000 qualifying Diamonds. But the people like you Anna are just the type of people who are negative for your own reasons. During Major Functions, Diamonds speak of having lifetime, will-able, residual income through the He was 40 years old. Because even they know it won't add up. With so many going to functions this is surely nice income. However, most people in the organizations do NOT bother with the 10n retail customer rule. One of the anonymous commentors on my site has shared his Amway/Quixtar Story. They have an income"No they don't. The amount of people each Ambot would have to have under them is prohibitively large to make any profit at all. I was so enamored with their houses and cars, but also how incredibly douchey and pathetic they all looked. But we also know that diamonds earn income from the sale of tools. Its printed out on Amway literature in black and white. I've been recently talked to by my friend about this "be your own boss" type of thing. The thing is Ambots are leaving Amway and taking their downline with them. According to him the recruitment takes 7 steps and he'd like to meet me again tomorrow to complete another step. Anonymous - fortunately you don't have what it takes to be an Amway Ambot so hope you're not losing too much money while you figure that out. From conversations with my emerald and diamonds. Sorry for the late reply. So you are left with 60 k say. Or any other kind of makeup!Oh yeah those Amway bars are expensive. To some maybe but from what I've read, I'm not convinced it is. Hello Anna, I read this entire page and all its comments and I'd like to share my story. You have no time to waste!!!~Osuwariboy. That's why there is a 90 day money back guarantee so you can't be out anything. Great Post, Anonymous. . Some of the Amway cult leaders are invested in this company.I forgot to warn they'll ask about your dreams. The Caucasian groups of amway must be absolute crap, look whoever you are I am an executive diamond my name is Theo im Columbian and I started my buisness about 3 years back and look where I got now, I earn 300k a year on a bad unproductive year and 460k a year when my 11 groups of 100 people each try hard, I'm with Equipo Vision and we qualify diamonds and new emeralds almost monthly, under me I have 15 Diamonds, 30 Emeralds, And so many platinums, you are very negative I can tell you just failed, you must not have dreams, or any sort of ambitions. You have focused so much on the WHAT that you totally looked over the WHY. Bring emotional and financial devastation to everyone they touch. No that's proof that news sources in 3rd world countries haven't yet announced the results of the 2008 Presidential election. For a couple. Well they'd need to. A good example is Larry Winters, a former car wash manager from North Carolina who has climbed his way to "Diamond" status in the Britt system. Gets checked occasionally. A diamond is constantly on the road so i expect expenses would eat up at least half that. Either way you are claiming that your parent company has not provided proper information to a governing body, and, based on how you say "we're not supposed to", this is a taught practice within your organization, going up and down your line. Hello, it's me again, back from the meeting. From what Ive seen of Amway Diamonds they live beyond their means. These people we were calling were friends, family and acquaintances, and if they didn't buy in, we were to "flush" them? ~Osuwariboy. Not hard to figure out at all why Amway diamonds are broke. I look back and think my mom was a genius for resisting Amway the way she didshe never gave in!! Facts are not "assumptions". Yes, we all know WWDB.You get rich by selling CDs, books, and other tools to naive Amway IBOs. i would like to know how is it possible. You are not a good downline are you?Secondly instead of running your mouth uncontrollably why don't you rebut the issues raised by Anna or offer resounding evidence to the contrary? Some Amway diamonds make the bulk of their income from speaking at Amway functions. Get on with your lives. Love that brainwashing. of more than 1400 Amway Diamonds and above. Same broke. If those are things you're successful at then don't brag about it around here. Often, the perception that Amway diamond is wealthy is based on the income they earned in the year they qualified first. They became broke and our family vacations were no longer vacations but these stupid "Functions". You support restaurants don't you? Accuracy? Anonymous - its the old saying nothing in life is free. LOL! Live from an Amway meeting! Let's just assume he purchased it over time at an average of $450 per share - so $450k out of his claim of making $1.22 million. And does he owe me $50000? So far, from what I've read the stories here are pretty fucked up. Well you know what they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Certainly everyone who visits this site needs to read Merchants of Deception. Being in the Amway cult is all about twisting the bible to suit the Amway cult leader's purposes. A person can live a decent lifestyle on this income if you watch how you spend it. People write blogs and books so others can read them for free to learn about our experiences and know to stay away from Amway because all it brings is financial and emotional distress. Nothing's for free. Also, don't you dare question product prices or quality or question anything at all for that matter. Depends where they are on the get a bigger piece of pie plan. In a so called real job, you work every week until you retire at 65 or so. LOL! Amway Diamonds- How To Hit The Rank. (See the AUS "Directly Speaking" and "Tools Scam" articles for . Thank to your rude comments id rather be apart of Amway, atleast they have respect, values and know how to talk to others like grown, mature people.Thank you for allowing me to see how being someone like you would be the worst decison of my life.Amway here I come! But really? People have enough of the Amway bullshit. Glad you're enjoying the blog. Yup that pretty much sums up Amway ambots! I'm surprised they gave you a "free" drink. Amway has been great to me and my family. My Wife Mrs Laxmi Singh & I myself building this awesome unique opportunity with the help of our great LOS and world best proven system. And because you're a dumb fuck Amway Ambot I have to spell it out for you. If you qualify for Diamond Select, you will be treated to an extended trip with exclusive activities and VIP pampering, plus more time to connect, collaborate and relax with fellow business leaders. Most people don't have it in them.Your last sentence is correct. Well, one thing is that mistakes even big embarrassing mistakes are a natural part of the entrepreneur's life. And yeah, it was weird and cult like "Tonight we get to watch Dave give the Plan!" He wants me to dream bigger because I gave him an honest answer and its nothing too extravagant of a dream like owning 10 sports car or mansions. I'm very thankful for our staff, without them I'd have to spend more hours working instead of going for lunch with friends and family, taking care of everything around the house, going to the Y, so I'd say my time is more or less my own except for when I go in to help. He defected to Monavie and took a lot of his downline with him. In 1973 Don and Nancy lived in White River Junction, Vermont (Population 2286) USA. I've fallen in love with a woman in Amway. Lets keep it safe for everyone. I can say that I sell pencils on the corner and made 12 million doing it last year. And wouldn't you like to be your own boss and blah blah blah.Stuff that would make sense if it was a legitimate business opportunity and not that you're paying a company big bucks to be a lowly paid commissioned salesperson.Then the Ambot pulled out a napkin and drew circles on it and said you find 6 people and they find 6 people and so on and then you'll all be rich.That book you read, without commenting on its contents is a huge seller for Amway. It may only be shared or re-used under licence. You must have only had 6 legs that went platinum, which obviously made you a diamond. We were actively involved in the business for years and were greatly blessed in the relationships we have and the things we learned from our upline and all of the Diamonds and above from the seminars we chose to go to. When a Diamond dies, he can look back on his life and say, "Ive helped thousands of people make extra money and accomplish their goals though free enterprise and universal success principles and generated economy for this country" When Anna Banana dies, she will say.. "I was a cunt that liked to blog that never helped anyone. The point of this blog is to show that Amway is NOT a solution, it's a money-losing cult that MAKES problems for people, not solve them. Also selling CDs of themselves bullshitting the crowd with their motivational teaching. 95% quit (Amway's figures) within 2 years of signing up. Kiyosaki was homeless for a while fighting for a dream. They can't afford to or else it means going back to working a job as many have found out. That's because they are people who might be able to reason and convince their loved ones that the cult leaders are only interested in using them for their money.Good luck with that. Cya at my McDonald's Anna :p. Theo - OMG. The rest they got from selling business tools (supposedly at cost; that is certainly what they told us). That's what the people who want everyone to think they're rich drive. It lights up and stuff.. and has a mirror on it. Read that and it'll answer all your questions. DON'T YOU? Folding your cards does not entail 'losing' or 'quitting'. U get Best Prods. But our Diamond distributors, because they bought in bulk, would have been given the same discount as a bookshop. Its a life changing opportunity. Unless they can sell the already ENORMOUSLY overpriced products for any kind of profit to a large customer base (something few Ambots can get working for them as other than pity purchases, the rest of the population can find better products at their local stores for wayyy better prices and convenience), then the only other thing is to self-consume and then try to recruit others to self consume and find others, etc. At the 50th Anniversary celebrations in Ada, Michigan last week Steve Van Andel reported there were 544 currently qualifying Founders Executive Diamondsand above businesses in attendance, and there were reportedly over 4000 currently qualifying Diamond and above IBOs (so around 2000 IBOships)in Las Vegas. They asked me if I wanted freedom and told me I would be an idiot to pass this "opportunity" up again. Only those at the top make money off of the 99% of those below them. I've had many children of Amway Ambots leave comments here about how Amway destroyed their family. You actually tell them what you want to talk to them about and show them some videos online before having them over. Astonishingly, he makes $300k on a bad year and $460k on a good year. The meeting was held in his garage, white board in the front, markers and circles, 6 people etc etc. Talk about having free time on your hands! Hilarious.You're still angry about failing in Amway? Would you like to share this work plan to grow so highly with me as a help. This blog is about Amway scum - like you! Sure I work at our business and yes that technically means I'm a boss but I don't go around flaunting that in people's faces because I'm not an arrogant prick. I have the biggest Amway losers showing up here to bitch about this blog all the while proclaiming they're Christians. returns to play new Ranger character. Yup they don't say it's Amway. Your wasting your time while other people are making their dreams come true. Save big with the world's largest selection of diamonds. Have you ever taken a job anywhere else where your boss wanted you to fail? Even if she only makes one sale a month she'd still be making more money than she would in Amway. Not even accurate. By his admition, he's only been in that business 3 years. There is a link to a free ebook called Merchants of Deception. Yeah sometimes Blogger has its glitches. A customer buys the Amway products for themselves, no matter what their pseudo business card says. I have been looking for an Amway INA diamond to be sponsored by for three years now. Yes I'm a failure at lying, cheating, scamming people out of their money, brainwashing them, bitching at them to come to cult meetings and to buy overpriced shitty products. The site is unable to respond. Just let go of whatever made you write this post and you will be better off down the road. Who should we believe? . i don't know what to do i am completely outta mymind i am just crying all day long>>>>>>>>>>if i don't gethim/her back i will end my lifePLESAE save your strenght you don't have to commit suicide to get your exit's will not even bring him but rather makes you a bigfool..now you have mother of the world sunlightdaugther of jai mata durga,,,,,,,,,,,,WHAT ever that you sunlightspell@gmail.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my husband broken up our marriage he wrote divorce and we divorced 2and 4months ago just last week i contacted sunlightbecause everyday i dream of him as i love so him much lastweek ago i contacted sunlight 3days of it my husband came back after the casting of the charms has been and we settled againright now we are living together>>>>>>>>>>>pls worry not yourself because she is her to help you in what so ever that you need.thanks to you mother of the world glory be unto your name womanof powers'''''''''''i love you. Yup they all want to meet for coffee. How do you know when someone in Amway is lying? The $10 commission from Amway isn't enough to save. hi, anybody can help but Amway. As with any business you need to keep producing turn over, else you lose it. I hissed at her because I belonged to Greenpeace (got my membership in 3rd grade) and the thought of the whole fur coat thing grossed me out, let alone, all these pathetic women clamoring to touch them. Hi Anonymous. Here are the reasons Amway Ambots say they don't have retirement savings: 1. But if that's what you coasted on them holy balls, i understand your anger. Like you said big red flags.Look further up on the right side of this page under Amway related links. They are first people you should turn to for advice. Its called facts and people who ignore them are called ignorant. I cant promise you anything but how would you like to meet him for coffee?You get there and the bozo introduces himself as a Platinum whether or not he is. He goes to a lot of the conferences and weekly meetings and is actually doing pretty well which he thinks is just luck. Hi Anonymous. Congratulations!!!!!!!!!! Free returns. I would lean toward him being full of crap, though.Being an employee working for someone else at $150k per year is a good place to be. How likely is it you can find 1000 people to keep motivated to buy $300 worth of Amway products every month so you can earn commission? Good bye biatch. It doesn't have to its a private company selling top quality items and paying people to recommend them. You might be interested in hearing their stories how not to let this happen in your life but when they avoid talking about it even though its public knowledge then its shady. 2 / Brandon Odom pt. I've been researching, blogging and commenting on Amway and Multilevel Marketing for more than a decade. The MLM Syndrome: Dr. Doe's Investigation into MLM CONditioning, MLM and The Ace Initiative Pt. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Less than $5 for a good name brand at the drugstore. Price matching . This product item already exists in the list. Im pretty sure people who make the same amount of money spend 10 years in school. In fact. Thank you. Everyone upline earns commission while the lowly IBO at the bottom of the pyramid did all the work to make that sale. In addition, 50 percent of the energy powering Amway's world headquarters in Ada, Michigan, is wind-generated. Amway people are liars. Those who earn an invitation will participate in fabulous, once-in-a-lifetime activities, new product offerings, and networking opportunities. does this not also include "diamonds"? I get from the blog description that you are married to an Amway IBO,the question is are you still married to him despite the fact you hate what he is doing that much , I read your blogs and i cant seem to understand why are you hating that Amway cooperation that much , did they like rip you off and didn't give you what you paid for or was your husband so busy in it and did not give you much time , please elaborate more . Usually they're screeching this stuff everywhere they can!And why aren't you already retired? They joined Amway in 1973 and went Diamond in 1979. Hi Anonymous - the only way ambots can sucker prospects into attending an Amway meeting is by lying that its some other kind of meeting. How about they keep them cause it's going to cost more in time and gas money than what those brainwashing tools are worth! It's the only way to try to hold together a downline that is losing money month after month. That means that you need to personally sponsor 6 people and help all 6 of them build their business to the point were they are doing 7500 points every month in business. The Top 27 Amway Diamond Success Stories Now that we've got that out of the way, here are my Amway Diamond Success Stories # 27: Robert and Lois Stonelake The Stonelake's helped put Amway on the map. They are in negative numbers that month. We are worth 200% more than we think we are! A few years ago I saw an Amway fact sheet that said more than 4000 business had qualifed at Diamond and above. Wow, I knew it. Do you believe in yourself? Woo hoo! But, perhaps Theo is still around to clarify his math. They told me I could join Amway and if i dont like it I could leave within 90 days and get my money back.. i feel like thats a lie.. it has to be. Oh and seeing as how I'm not in Amway - of course life will be better down the road! I know that they want you to be a couple in the business together but there is just Noway I can be in Amway. Why don't you show them the Amway printed literature you have to show all prospects. What would be more fantastic would be more information. Not filling the garage with soap they'll be using for the next 20 years because they can't find any suckers to sell it to. Thats over 99% failure rate according to Amway what kind of business opportunity is that. But yeah its a nice mark up if you can brainwash Ambots to buy it ! even 19 years later, I am still haunted by that experience. Their solution? It makes Amway Ambots very angry that its so high on the search engines when they're probably looking to find out how much an Amway Diamond makes. The power in distribution has been for a very long time in the hands of a selected group of people. Hi anna. How the hell do I know if its fake or not? Gokaiger cast member M.A.O. We always knew it had to do with everyone in the upline getting a piece of greed pie after the lowly Ambot at the bottom of the pyramid did a lot of work to make a sale. That's why this blog exists to talk about what you evil motherfucking Amway demons are really like. Find a way to make extra money and invest it.If you're inside the Amway cult, the cult leaders will tell you to "invest" you money back in Amway buying shitty overpriced products and investing in the tool scam.Normal people know to invest in real estate or stocks or classic cars or what have you. Hey anonymous and annaAre any of you single, Hi Anna. Success is NOT just around the corner if there are no outside buyers for the products. I think that might be a first around here! Amway Ambots love to say negative no matter how much they preach about never saying negative. If this guy you met worked in timeshare sales he'd be doing really good wouldn't he!He probably spoke to you about how people who have jobs are stupid. One reasn why the products are so expensive, is because there was a confrontation between the Devos/van Andels and the bigwig distributirs making money off the tools, and the latter threatened to leave and take their organizations with them, so the company had to accept that, and they had to raise their prices to offset it. That is a big red flag.. but do you know how it works? Hey thanks! And the McDonalds franchise owner makes their money on selling lots of product. I know we did.Why do Amway ambots keep accusing me of having a job? Only the most aggressive liars and scammers make money. !If you want unbiased look at the Dateline videos done by real reporters interviewing past and current Amway employees. Guess which one is easier for us to do?9. As reported on this site several weeks ago, UK & ROI Amway Diamonds affiliated with IBS, Jerry & Mandy Scriven, Pat & Greta Gregory, and Dave Butler had not been offered renewed contracts with the "new" Amway.Amway itself confirmed this with a posting on the Amway media blog entitled IBS Unplugged.. Jerry and Mandy Scriven have now responded with a well written and well supported letter on . Free trips? This all adds up. And there have been reports of Diamonds going into foreclosure. Nobody is coming into any of Theo's four McDonalds franchises to buy a dream (or motivational CD about how you too can own a McDonalds). LIke we needed further proof people in Amway are a bunch of dumb fucks! For the tiny percentage of ambots who make it it's probably not so nice an income because they have to pretend they're living an Amway diamond lifestyle on low 6 figures and going into debt to fool their downline how rich they are. But you are expected to dump a poopload of money into motivational tools (books and tapes) and atten some very expensive functions. Anna, your blog ROCKS!!! Went right over that Ambot's head! More importantly, those mistakes don't define you. They have an income. WHich was funny cause at the meetings they'd tell us we weren't recruiting enough people, but we had meetings like 3 days a week including all day saturday, and some sundays so I'm not completely sure when we were supposed to actually recruit. I'm guessing your involvement in this "opportunity" has been no longer than 2 years. There is a word for what they do in the outside world. LAst time I checked, Christians do not go around calling those who In their better judgment , turn down a business opportunity , "losers" and "Negative". That is what cults do. They buy mansions a fleet of sports cars and fly first class to exotic destinations multiple trips a year and supposedly they pay cash for all of this. Do you stand up at Amway meetings and scream out at the Diamond "Shut the hell up you broke loser!!!!" Then hop on the Amway truck and get the fuck out of here. Then why show up here and do it? It's one thing to say show the plan and its another thing to actually find a sucker willing to take a look at it. God bless everyone! An error has occurred, which probably means the feed is down. You Go 50/150 for 3 out of your first 6 months you get $50/per month that you do plus your regular business $'s you'll be around $60-$260/month that you do. Anonymous - of course you agree with Alan. LOL! I have a list of every North American Diamond that has appeared in the Amagram since 1964. I keep getting fucking Amway assholes showing up here and leaving comments that Im broke even though Im very careful with my money. There are names on the List of Diamonds on Amway Wiki that I dont recognize. Hi Anonymous.Guess they couldn't afford a coffee at McDonalds! He's not selling pots and pans. Now $150,000 sounds like a lot of money to young people or to those with lower wage types of jobs, or those who are just starting out in their careers. About Amway. (And, as ibofightback mentioned, there is overlap. I love my freedom to spend with my family. Naming names? I don't know if you've ever heard of world wide dream builders. Sending condolences and praying for their families. Sounds like all you need to do is keep doing what youre doing and help others to do the same! "if someone unemployed joins amway..great! Like you didn't have a better way to spend a Friday night! This list currently numbers now over 2400 and is not exhaustive, with Amway reporting in 2004 that more than 4000 businesses had qualified at Diamond or above. We just want to help people not go through the hell we went through. Of course, like any brainwashed Ambot, this guy just sees the "insults" and "foul language" and totally skips over the TONS of articles and posts going into great detail of WHY Amway is a losing "opportunity", a mathematical dead-end pyramid where only less than 1% of people make any kind of profit, and which is why it is based on "dreams" and not reality. You have to buy books, CD, tickets to Amway meetings. Same old Ambot propaganda. And Amway assholes are always going to lie and screw people out of their hard earned money. Nancy was a full-time nurse. The average diamond earns about $150,000, according to Amway. Jumping in kind of late here, but I am a recovering Ambot. This site is my personal opinions about the Amway company. If you see hate then that is what Amway projects. Try scanning another product. In the year to August 31, 1993, Amway achieved revenue of $210 million, an increase of 9.7% over the previous year, and it posted a rise of 17.4% . Do you want to take business advice from someone whose business went bankrupt? Until you feel Gods love, it may be hard to accept-Kyle. At least I'm not a fucking lying scamming Amway asshole flogging overpriced shitty products and that's not something you can say about yourself. More fucked in the head than what Amway does to them. From one of ibofightbacks websitesIt's now official, Dean and Marcie Whalen in Edmonton, Alberta are now Diamonds in the World Wide Dreambuilders LOA in the Amway business.I believe it's been 6-7 years since WWDB has had a new Diamond and this is pretty awesome news. THOUSANDS have spoken out over the years. Have you heard about that. I'm surprised some assholes in his Amway upline hasn't already counselled with him about the hairstyle choice because that's all those Amway bastards do in night owls is bitch at the ambots about what they drive, what they wear, and their hair style. Lying and bullshitting. Great friend.yes u can make it happen also.great work.great idea.great dream.great lifestyle.see u on top.n peace. Uplines DO!!! And thus their "job" becomes trying to keep those below them inside the pyramid motivated to be "fired up" and keep on losing money month after month with promises of "success just around the corner". Because for everything those recruits buy the Ambots get a tiny percentage. so how & how to do business.i am having very much hope in this We are a training system on how to build the amway business to a truly significant level. I've also found out that by doing a lot day in and day out in getting people to buy or make connections for them to join is tough but they say is well worth it. We don't just ride on hope. BWW? so it doesn't seem like the protein bar price at least is unreasonable.. so i still feel like there is more to this scam that I dont understand. Surely you've got competent staff at all your businesses who can take care of things while the money rolls in for you?You're just a day's drive from me. !With Amway, if it takes 10 years to get an income of $1000 a week, you are better off than traditional workers.So what if Amway people still have jobs. How am I gonna convince my friend that Amway is evil? The company was founded in 1959 by Jay Van Andel and Richard DeVos and is based in Ada, Michigan. Who is now amway diamon and who is babesor. Amway's are like chocolate coated cardboard. I already feel like I'm walking into a trap. The assholes in the Amway upline will start screeching about never question upline and give you some bullshit that what's printed there is only "guidelines" and the real money runs in the gazillions of dollars rolling in each month. 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